Trump Surprised Me
Last night, Joe Biden and Donald Trump had their first, and hopefully only, debate in the contest for the presidency. Everyone today is aware of what happened last night, but as the future unfolds, September 29th will fade from significance. I have personally paid close attention to presidential debates for the last 40 years. 40 years ago, the incumbent president came to stay overnight in my hometown, Shaker Heights, and then debated Ronald Reagan the next day in Cleveland. I was a high school student at the time, and I watched that debate as I would have attended one of my classes. I sat with a notebook and pencil and wrote down every question, every response, and my impression of the answers. I had decided to do that because, as a teenager, I began to notice that political candidates had the habit of not answering questions asked, but rather answering with statements about what they wanted to say. Often the answers had little or nothing to do with the question.
Watching President Carter and Gov. Reagan, my analysis was lopsided. Carter annihilated Reagan. Carter’s answers were substantive, direct, and accurate. Reagan’s answers had none of that. I was shocked to discover the next day that the press declared Reagan a winner by knockout. Carter was judged harshly for his seriousness and Reagan lauded for his casualness. Huh. So, that’s how adults were. Who knew?
In the 40 years since that night, I have come to know a thing or two about political debates, and life as an adult generally. I have tried to get an understanding of how America values style versus substance, and I have been surprised on several occasions. I was surprised by the negative reaction to the George Dukakis’s(that’s Michael Dukakis. Thank you, Alan Milner.) answer regarding rape. My own upbringing made me slightly biased in favor of quiet, careful, emotionless reactions publicly. Many others preferred a more emotional response. I get it, but at that time, I was much different. Much more buttoned up. I recall the reaction to George Bush (the elder) looking at his watch. Left alone, I never would have noticed it or cared. America pointed out that it made Bush appear bored. I get it, made a point not to do it, but it did not strike me as especially odd. I recall Al Gore referring to placing the Social Security fund in a “lock box.” SNL had good fun with that, and yes, Gore’s manner was somewhat awkward, but that did not strike me as odd, and frankly, by now it has come to seem prescient. I recall Obama saying to Hillary Clinton, “you’re likable enough, Hillary”. It seemed a minor response to me. Once the press got ahold of it, you’d think Obama slapped her face and called her a foul name. Obama was never given much latitude, and even liberals love to chastise him. (That’s another observation for another time.)
Last night, though, I found myself quite surprised. Donald Trump shocked me. You might think this is a criticism of Trump’s conduct. It isn’t. Trump’s conduct did not shock me in the slightest. The thing I can not get my head around was what Trump did not do. I learned more about Trump in what he did not do than all that I have known about him from the last 5 years.
One thing I learned about adults from my parents is that there are certain lines that can’t be crossed. I loved my parents dearly, and I never had a moment of doubt that they loved me. I was among the fortunate in that regard. An essential element of the easy relationship with my parents was respect. My Mom, all of 5’1”, projected a certain power. I was fully invested in the notion of respecting one’s parents…hell, adults generally, and my parents knew that. This was the contract between adults and children, as I understood it. As I became an adult, this expanded into positions of authority, and those within the structure. Rule following, deference had their place. We all had our roles to play.
Donald Trump doesn’t respect anyone or anything…right? That’s where you think this is going? No. Not exactly. While I think he probably doesn’t, that is not what Trump showed me last night. What I learned from reading Donald Trump last night is that he does not respect himself, or have any expectation of receiving respect. This jumped out at me in what Trump chose not to do.
Joe Biden handed Trump a huge opening last night and Trump failed to seize on it. Trump wasn’t just sloppy. It was clear that he had no concept of the principle. When Biden called Trump, “clown”, and when he said, “will you shut up”…I can tell you right now, my parents would have handled that differently. Now, I am not saying that my parents would not accept that treatment from their son. That goes without saying. What either of my parents wold have done is said, “look Joe, you don’t speak to the President of the United States that way…”. “You must respect the office, irrespective of what you think of me personally…”. Something like that. Frankly, not only do I think Biden would have apologized for his impertinence…I actually think he still may. I think Biden is of such character that such conduct will bother him…his own conduct.
What Trump showed me is that he does not understand the concept of dignity. Yes, he lacks it. That is plain for all to see. What he showed last night is that he does not recognize it. He does not know when he is entitled to it. He is blind to it. Trump wasn’t the slightest bit taken aback by the disrespect to the office. Of all the pitiful aspects to Trump’s conduct, I feel most sorry for him for the fact that he clearly lacks self respect. I like Joe Biden. I’m going for him. You bet your ass I will be voting for him. But if Joe Biden had said that to any adult that I respect, that adult would have known how to check Joe Biden, and would have done so. Trump truly surprised me. He’s less of a man than I thought.
Ron Powell
09/30/2020 @ 10:14 am
“He’s less of a man than I thought.”
Trump isn’t a ‘man’ at all…
He is a colicky infant who is in the throes of a protracted tantrum…
Art W. Stone
09/30/2020 @ 10:15 am
I thought the same.
Joe Biden spoke to POTUS the way I would, because Biden doesn’t respect him in the slightest. That was a calculated risk to do so and POTUS took the bait, responding like the towel snapper he is, displaying his own lack of respect for the office he holds.
If that “debate” changed anyone’s mind about how to cast their vote it would surprise me.
I would like to know that Chris Wallace will be fined for impersonating a moderator and that the notion of two more of these nonsense shows will be cancelled.
POTUS should not be given the stage again in what was to be a debate to call out to his supporters to show up at the polls to watch other voters as an act of intimidation, and tell armed white supremacist militias to “stand down and stand by”.
The message is clear already.
Koshersalaami
09/30/2020 @ 10:29 am
Not taking advantage of being incumbent because he thinks the presidency gets its value from him.
Ron Powell
09/30/2020 @ 10:34 am
Since he can’t use the office to enrich himself without consequences or pushback, he believes the Presidency has no value at all…
Ron Powell
09/30/2020 @ 10:43 am
The comment above is @Koshersalaami…
Bitey
09/30/2020 @ 11:56 am
That is an interesting psychological rabbit hole too.
I actually felt pity for the man last night. That stands entirely separate from the fact that I would like to see him ground into the dust under the foot of democracy, whether metaphorical or literal. But, the notion that he lacked the adult understanding of when to demand respect was just…pitiful.
Ron Powell
09/30/2020 @ 10:40 am
People who are chronically and patently disrespectful show themselves to be abjectly lacking in self-respect…
Your observation about Trump in this regard is spot on…
Ron Powell
09/30/2020 @ 10:44 am
The comment above is @Bitey….
Alan Milner
09/30/2020 @ 11:41 am
Are you using a small screen device, like a smartphone? When you are viewing the site on a mobile device, it is difficult to see the slight indentations that indicate a reply to the previous comment. If you look at a full-screen device, the replies to previous comments are indented quite clearly indicating that the comment is a reply to a previous comment and also clearly shows to which comment the reply was made. Your first reply to Kosh is clearly indented from his comment, and your second response to your previous response is clearly indented from your first response indicating that you are responding to your previous comment. It is perfectly all right if you want to use the @ but it has no effect. The @ sign doesn’t; mean anything on this site. As far as I know, it doesn’t trigger an email to the person named, nor does it trigger a private message. There really is no other way to do this, unless we do away with replies to comments, and I am not even sure that’s possible with the theme and the plug-ins we are using. I also think it would become more confusing, not less.
I actually think it is MORE confusing, not less, to use the @ sign and it is unnecessary to do so in a separate comment. You can put the @ notifications into the reply itself.
Ron Powell
09/30/2020 @ 1:16 pm
@Alan;
I use my android smart phone exclusively…
“The at sign, @, is normally read aloud as “at”…”
I use it to identify the person to whom I am responding….
Been doing it since blogging on both Open and Our…
Seems to work OK, since people know who I’m talking to…
As you do here….
Ron Powell
09/30/2020 @ 1:20 pm
BTW
It would be nice if we could edit or revise our own comments on someone else’s post….
Alan Milner
09/30/2020 @ 11:22 am
Dukakis’ first name is Michael, not George.
Bitey
09/30/2020 @ 11:28 am
Yes, Michael. George was a governor, right? I guess my coffee didn’t take this morning.
Bitey
09/30/2020 @ 11:30 am
No, that was Deukmejian.
Alan Milner
09/30/2020 @ 11:34 am
Deukmejian? Never heard of HIM or HER.
Alan Milner
09/30/2020 @ 11:33 am
There has only been one Dukakis in American politics, and I hope never to see another. (I knew him quite well, years ago,) Michael was Governor of Massachusetts and a presidential candidate. Also if you look at your last paragraph, I think you meant to write, “…would have known how to check BIDEN…” rather than “…..would have known how to check Trump.”
Bitey
09/30/2020 @ 11:38 am
Indeed.
Ron Powell
09/30/2020 @ 1:08 pm
Deukmejian was a Governor of California…
jpHart
09/30/2020 @ 4:38 pm
Candidate Biden easily displayed his innate humanism. Problem of the United States apparently cannot control his meandered bombast without an awed red-capped MAGA crowd enthralled, mask-less, to ‘glib propaganda’ and ego-centric rhetoric which is consistently divisive and bellicose. POTUS had a critically
rudderless plethora of insults and ‘flashpoint’ really fucked-up rabbit/below the belt ‘off color’ blows. Wallace and Biden early on were verbally shin-kicked by shouts and insouciant Trumpian animosity. Also, too bad for the future that an essential integral exercise of free speech was tainted, crazily besmirched with the worst performance by a POTUS imaginable.
Look no further than the words and heartfelt endorsement of Republican Cindy McCain yesterday morning.
A Biden//Harris landslide is at last just around the corner!
Bitey
09/30/2020 @ 5:10 pm
There is much to like about your comment, JPH, but one aspect, I think, is worthy POF a post…if not several. I wish you were posting your own compositions.
But, as for the comment/idea that fascinates me in your comment… “too bad for the future that an essential integral exercise of free speech was tainted, crazily besmirched with the worst performance by a POTUS imaginable…”
There is a lot about this that deserves focus. During the debate, my wife said, “they should cut his mic…” I agreed, of course. I’d also be quite hesitant. Imagine being the person with that responsibility. These are events with rather high stakes. Someone is bound to mute someone incorrectly or unfairly at some point. Adding this restriction worries me. Also, the likelihood that we ever see another jackass like Trump is doubtful. This could be an example of cutting the mic after the jackass cow is out of Trump barn. But, it deserves focus because it is gaining traction. The commission that handles the debates is planning some sort of control going forward. It’ll be here before we know it. Do we really want that?
Art W. Stone
09/30/2020 @ 8:46 pm
Word is that the Republicans will not go along with restrictions. My understanding is that there is a commission that sets the rules. If agreement cannot be reached then perhaps cancellation is the option.