NO, JOE BIDEN ISN’T SUPPORTING MASS MUDER IN ISRAEL
THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO THOSE WO ARE QUOTING A TIME MAGAZINE ARTICLE TO THE EFFECT THAT BIDEN IS CONDONING THE MASS MURDER OF PALESTINIANS (and contrasting that with Donald Trump’s supposed approval of Israel’s genocide against Gaza.)
Genocide is the systematic, complete eradication of a cohort group that reduces the cohort to the point where that community can never regenerate itself. Genocides have been attempted quite often in history, but they are rarely successful. Germany failed to exterminate the Jews, or the communists, or Romany people, or the homosexuals because genocide is a mathematical impossibility in a global civilization.
By the same token, It is mathematically impossible for Israel to commit genocide against the Palestinian people because most of the Palestinian people live beyond Israel’s reach, in Jordan, in Egypt and a hundred other countries around the world.
Despite Time magazine’s attempt at character assassination, there is absolutely no evidence that Joe Biden has ever said that he supports the mass murder of Palestinians but that is how one poster presents a distorted impression that this is in fact the case based on the Time magazine article.
Other people, most notably Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib, have claimed that the Biden administration is supporting the mass murder of Palestinian citizens but words to that effect have never come out of Joe Biden’s mouth.
Supporting a proven ally in the midst of a battle isn’t the same thing as advocating or supporting the mass murder of civilians. (We – or, more accurately, our parents and grandparents – killed more German civilians in Dresden, and more Japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, in a single day than Israel has killed in combat since 1948.)
Oddly enough, there are more than two million Palestinian Arabs and Christians who are living and working in Israel, owning businesses, voting in elections, serving in elective offices, and actually serving in the Israeli police forces and military who are not being murdered en masse and, with the exception of one or two incidents, there has been no such violence (so far) in Israel against Palestinians who live in Israel. That’s not genocide.
Are non-combatant Palestinian citizens being killed by Israeli forces? Yes. Is this mass murder? No. Some are being killed by friendly fire from Hamas. Some are being killed by Israeli forces responding to fire from Hamas.
Is this a tragedy for everyone involved. Yes. Is this something that the Biden government is responsible for? No, because the American government has no control or authority over Israel.
Anyone who thinks that American aid dollars gives the US any influence over Israel is bat shit crazy. Most of that money is actually spent purchasing weapon systems from US weapon makers, and therefore supports the American military complex. Besides which, Israel makes most of its own weapons anyway.
In the end, the final question is always what should have been the first question: Who started it?
If a group of people break into my home during a party, kills some of my relatives and kidnaps others, you better believe that I would – if I were able – hunt those people down to the ends of the earth and kill them all if I could.
So would every Palestinian in Gaza, and every American anywhere in the United States. It isn’t vengeance. It’s justice. It’s not fancied up judicial justice. It’s dusty, small town justice, also known as cold, hard reality. In the real world, no one turns the other cheek.
The timing of the Hamas attack, and the widespread, well-orchestrated public relations campaigns against Israel, against the Jewish people and against the Biden administration isn’t just a series of coincidental accidents.
In fact, if Biden loses in November, it may very well be in part because of what is happening in Israel as it divides the Democratic party into liberal and conservative factions along generational lines, consisting of those opposed to and those not quite as opposed to US support for Israel, and those who support Israel no matter what.
The timing wasn’t an accident. The attacks were timed to deflect attention away from Trump’s legal problems right at the outset of the Republican presidential campaign.
There is absolutely no doubt that Russia, China, Iran, and Hamas, among others, all want Donald Trump back in the White House. They want a weak, possibly deranged deeply-damaged, politically volatile and easily manipulated useful idiot in the Oval Office….and tearing the Democratic Party apart over the current war in Gaza is part of their game plan, along with encouraging a cretin like Robert Kennedy Jr, a DINO like Joe Manchin, or a Russian operative like Jill Stein to mount third party campaigns that will benefit the Republicans at the expense of the Democrats by siphoning off Democratic voters in key states.
This is a full court press against free elections, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of assembly. Try demanding a redress of your grievances without those freedoms.
12/06/2023 @ 8:55 am
I’ll state off the top that I agree with your conclusion. I also agree with your title. I do have a problem with a few lines. For starters, the term genocide is unnecessarily problematic. I disagree with your definition. It is a bit too strict to serve humanity. In fact, and with no disrespect intended, Holocaust deniers would love that definition. If you leave any alive, it isn’t/wasn’t a genocide. And, for the record, Oxford defines it as “the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group, with the aim of destroying that nation or ethnic group”.
The word “aim” is doing a lot of work in that definition, as it should. The intent to create this condition is the most important issue here, like the presence of a gun is more important than one’s marksmanship, or lack. Happenstance can exculpate a genocidal act by the standard you gave, whereas the intent combined with action is the most serious issue in maintaining peace and safety. Waiting for the final death of the final individual to determine genocide does nothing in the effort to prevent genocide. It must be remedied prior, therefore it must be diagnosed prior.
Call me “bat shit crazy” because, in my view, the U.S. definitely has influence over Israel. Does the U.S. have veto power over Israel’s actions, no. But, they absolutely do have influence. Furthermore, Biden’s approach, described as a bearhug, is not only effectively influential, but it is also brilliant. It would be understandable if Israel wanted to completely destroy Gaza. Like you described about someone hypothetically breaking in and killing family members, it is quite easy to see that motivation. However, that response would be the wrong one. That would not be practical for any nation on Earth, and it would not be justice. Emotions tell you that retribution is justice. Retribution is not justice.
The brilliance of the Biden bearhug is that it conveys support to the outside, and it restricts within the relationship. Netanyahu, or Israel, if you will, can not risk less support in order to have more freedom on the issue. It is conditional support with apparent, ostensible unconditional support. As long as that balance is maintained, it is brilliant. The goal here is to protect and prevent exacerbating the issue at the same time. If that can be achieved, it will be epic in the preservation of peace…if not justice.
12/08/2023 @ 3:56 am
I will vote Biden so this is academic at most.
Your title “No. Joe Biden isn’t supporting mass murder in Israel”, is appreciated in that it removers a semantic problem with the use of genocide.
In the fourth paragraph you said of the Times articles assertion that, “that there is no evidence that Biden has said he supports the mass murder of Palestinians which gives a destroyed impression. I contend that it one supplies weapons, makes weapons available or pays for some or all of the weapons and further makes it clear they do support the resolution they do not have to say they support mass murder, they do.
“Who started it?” , reminds me of third grade recess. Did this start 10/7/23 or 10/6/73 and the results of the Tom Kipper War or was it 5/14/48 when the U.N. Proclaimed Israel a state and took the property of and civil rights from the Palestinian people in what was Palestine or the land of Canaan and was Canaanite in 2,000 BCE.
All of this is beside the point which is how many have died and by who’s hand?
Most of those killed in this “War”, had nothing to do with the attack on 10/7/23 and do not give a rats ass about Trump, Biden, Macchin, or RFK Jr..
People want to live in their homes, raise their children just like we do. It is time to end the murder.
12/08/2023 @ 11:13 am
This isn’t third grade, by a long shot. Let me provide some data. There was no such people as the Palestinians in 2,000 BCE. When the Israelites moved into Canaan they were merely one tribe of Bedouin nomads who defeated another tribe of Bedouin city dwellers, and they were neither Jews or Muslims at that point in history. There were no Palestinian people until the Romans renamed Israel Syria Palestina in the 2nd century CE. but there were still no Palestinian Muslims because there were no Muslims until 610 AD. There is in fact a Palestinian nation called The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. Approximately 20% of the land now occupied by Israel was purchased from absentee Turkish landowners, a process that began in the 1890s, The people who were sometimes (but not always) removed from the land were actually Arab tenant farmers or sharecroppers who never owned the land in question to begin with. Israel is in fact the only modern nation that has ever voluntarily given up lands won in combat when they relinquished Gaza in 2005.
This conflict will continue until the Palestinians give up their pledge to cleanse “Palestine” from its Jewish occupiers “from the river to the sea.” This would involve the displacement or genocidal murder of six million Jews. Does that number sound familiar to you?
There are two million Palestinians who live and work in Israel. They own businesses, and homes, serve in the police force and the military, vote, and are elected to public offices in Israel, the only country in the Middle East where Muslim women have full equality..
12/08/2023 @ 11:35 am
I’m sot sure if I am allowed in this convo, but here goes anyway.
“This conflict will continue until the Palestinians give up their pledge to cleanse “Palestine” from its Jewish occupiers “from the river to the sea.”
I disagree with this. The conflict is not being driven by this. This is basically a reason to consolidate power in other nations by enemies of Israel. If Palestinians did not exist, it would be something else. Any one, or any thing which is fundamentally ethical, and based upon principles of justice has an infinite number of vulnerabilities. An ethical entity is bound to have at least one failing…whatever that may be. In addition to that, an entity that opposes it can cite that failing, and make infinite lies and contrivances to coalesce power. The only thing restricting that opponent is a commitment to ethics themselves. That is not to say that opponents of Israel never have ethics. It is to say that once Israel, or anything else declares principles of justice, it is declaring vulnerabilities to those for whom being just means nothing.
Taking that further, when followers of opponents to an ethical entity observe that their nation lacks principles, they are not moved off of it by that ethical failing. It is, in fact, seen as tactical brilliance rather than moral weakness. Therefore, having a principle has to be its own reward. The stability of decency has to be its own reward. Lies outnumber facts to infinity. Facts are limited by reality. Lies are limited by nothing.
12/08/2023 @ 1:23 pm
Very astute and true. If the Palestinians give up “from the river to the sea” they will find something else. I expect to see an increasing number of comments that Jews control higher education through their contributions and therefore are polluting the education that American children are receiving with Jewish propaganda.
12/08/2023 @ 5:40 pm
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12/07/2023 @ 5:24 pm
First, a housekeeping matter. Is anything strange going on with Bindle, when you first open it. I am getting an unformatted page until I click the refresh button and after that it resolves properly
Second, I will quibble with the OED because other dictionaries actually support the absolutist interpretation. Perhaps I should have said that the goal of a genocide is the complete eradication of a group of people, with holocausts being the tool used to accomplish that.
As far as influence is concerned, until recently, the US relied on Israel for deep intelligence across the Arab world, and still relies on Israel for some of our most sophisticated weapons systems..
But I appreciate your response. Makes me feel like less of an outlier.
12/07/2023 @ 6:44 pm
Consider the absolutist definition. Yes, other definitions exist. Think of it in terms of other situations that need to be recognized and prevented. Think of it in terms of a fire.
I smell smoke. There is a glow on the horizon. Call the fire department. The fire department gets the call and deploys to the scene. Once they get there they encounter the burning structure but they refuse to act. They say, no, we are the fire department. It isn’t a fire until the structure is destroyed.
How about cancer with metastasis. Yes, you have cancer…it appears, but we won’t know that until you’re dead. Then we will know that you need surgery.
Or maybe…we found a witch. No, no, that person is not a witch. How do we know? Well, we can throw her in a lake. If she survives, she’s a witch. If she drowns, she was innocent.
The alternate definitions of genocide are more like those examples than they are not like them. The alternate definitions do not help to correct or prevent the condition that they seek to expose. It is useless to define it that way. As far as we know, that has never happened…well, maybe the Etruscans…but we don’t know.
And as for influence, yes, the US relies on Israel for quite a lot. Saying that we have influence with Israel is not claiming that one or the other is superior. It simply acknowledges that one is greatly aided by the other. The US was not the most powerful military at the beginning of WWII. But, our involvement had a great deal to do with arriving at the outcome. The pawn is the weakest piece on a chessboard, but it can do a tremendous amount of work. The mosquito is the most deadly animal on Earth. It is far from the most powerful.
12/07/2023 @ 11:28 pm
I don’t accept the applicability of your analogies because they are exaggerations that don’t match the circumstance. and I am especially concerned about the redefinition of words that obscure their intended meanings. The original ancient Hebrew meaning of “holocaust” was a form of ritual sacrifice with a burnt offering. Now, it refers to a slaughter on a mass scale and by inference to the slaughter of Jews in particular. Note that no one has called what’s happening in Gaza a holocaust…but these are quibbles. Let’s let this one lay or lie. whichever you prefer.
12/09/2023 @ 8:01 am
I’ll let this lie after being allowed to address it.
The reason for making larger examples of the concept is to make it more visible. The thing compared is the relationship, not the size of the case. It is the cause-effect aspect that needs focus, and that remains the same size. Furthermore, the reason for using examples that “don’t match the circumstance” is also to make it visible. The comparison may use anything, but it is about the relationship between the things, and not the things themselves. And as for “holocaust”, we were not discussing that. The word was genocide.
“Genocide is defined as an act committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group. The term ‘genocide’ was coined in 1944 by the Polish-Jewish lawyer Raphael Lemkin in his book Axis Rule in Occupied Europe. In creating the term ‘genocide’, Lemkin intended to more clearly define the crime of mass murder of groups of people and to raise awareness of it.”
For this, I point to the word “intent” in the first line and “awareness” in the last.
“Various different acts are defined in the convention as acts of genocide, including:
Killing members of a group.
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group.
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.”
12/10/2023 @ 1:18 am
If we define Genocide as the extinction of a people, it’s a useless term. If we define it as the attempted extinction of a people, I think we’re there or pretty close. If we use the UN definition. It’s so lax that by their definition, genocide is really common and not worth the fuss it originally had. If it’s definition includes trying to drive a people out of somewhere, French Arabs are guilty of genocide on French Jews because so many French Jews move to Israel for safety.
12/09/2023 @ 10:50 pm
my comment @ 17:40 is or was intended for Michael’s of 08DEC23 @18:56 and I mention now as an alert to our arcane semantic plethora as I reflect that during our clock estopped Nine Eleven 2001 journalists are on record that our agencies revealed we had only maybe ’18 Farsi interpretors’ to accelerate defense~existential retribution and contain armageddon as our bifurcated MIC systemic took nostril breaths obviously chagrined as TRIAGE of course is more than etymology: OVER ‘N OVER AGAIN🕎
12/20/2023 @ 9:24 pm
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