Bogey Bait
Do you remember when Barack Obama was first running for the Presidency, way back in 2008? Watching the conversation about Obama was positively unnerving. It drove me to distraction. This is so often the case with the American conversation. Back in 2008, the conversation was often about whether or not Obama was a Muslim. Obama was widely condemned for the Christian church that he attended because of controversial statements by his Christian pastor, but the conversation in America often turned to the question of his actual religion. A widely discussed theory was that Obama was a “secret Muslim”. I recall a conversation on AOL where a woman claimed that Obama had “Muslim lips.” How does one answer that? There is no such thing. And of course, there is the fairly infamous event where John McCain held a campaign event, and a bigoted older woman claimed that she could not trust Obama because he was, “an Arab”, in her words.
To his credit, Senator McCain said, “no Mam. He’s a decent family man, citizen, who I happen to have disagreements with…”. McCain was credited with correcting he woman as he took the mic away from her. But, the correction bothers me. While Obama was and is a decent family man, etc, and while he is not an Arab, as the woman theorized, there is nothing indecent about being an Arab, nor is it inconsistent with being a good member of a family. And…Obama’s lips are just lips. McCain meant no harm by how he corrected the woman, but in the American conversation, the lesson was not correctly learned.
A similar thing is happening now regarding the Capitol Police, and their response to the attempted insurrection on Capitol Hill on January 6th. It is often stated that, had the insurrectionist mob been Black Lives Matter, the response would have been different. In fact, when BLM did protest, the protestors were met with a much stiffer, much more violent response. The fact that gets lost in this comparison is that BLM is not an insurrectionist movement. BLM would not have tried to lay siege to the Capitol building. The violence that has occurred during protests where BLM is present has been coincidental to the protest, and not the purpose of it. BLM engages in non-violent protest, and not in insurrection.
While it is true that BLM would have been met with a different response, the comparison is not apt. What results from such comparisons is that movements like BLM are considered to be complementary opposites of groups like Q-anon, or even broad, enthusiastic Trump support. BLM is not exclusive, although the way that it is commonly defined and discussed is as though it is. BLM is not asserting a zero-sum position. There is no rational, sensible, decent reason to oppose any person, or group of people asserting their right to life and safety. Conversely, any political position or candidate can reasonably have opposition. And further, a conspiracy theory which is founded on the dark fantasies of Satan worship, and pedophilia, and asserting the falsehood of government conspiracy does reasonably have opposition. It is literally not true and opposed by reality itself.
I think these two concepts should receive different responses from law enforcement, and I believe the vast majority of people agree. That is part of the problem with the American conversation. The comparison allows lack of scrutiny about what is being compared, and allows one to draw conclusions about elements which damage understandings going forward.
BLM seeks to address conditions that are real, and essentially asks to be left alone. Q-anon, and even Donald Trump himself, seek to disrupt that which is real, and status quo, armed with fictional nonsense, and lies, and deprive others of something which is rightfully theirs, namely peace. Indeed, the responses by the Capitol police are inconsistent, and they should be. That is why it is a bad comparison rhetorically. The responses should not be the same. They should be reversed. And BLM is disparaged by the mere comparison. A better comparison would be the Confederacy, or some other illegal such conspiracy.
ArtWStone
01/09/2021 @ 12:02 pm
I wholly agree with this assessment.
Throughout my life I have said that the Civil War is merely “on hold” until they can rummage together enough easily duped personnel to attack again.
That time has arrived and the peril cannot be exaggerated.
Bitey
01/09/2021 @ 12:11 pm
Your observation is a good one. One thing, maybe the main thing that makes rounding up dupes much easier is social media. People’s willingness to join nonsense movements is astonishing. Ashli Babbit was willing to join Qanon, and lost her life attempting to lay siege…over complete bullshit. This woman was a {near} military veteran, having been an Air Force veteran, which I consider to be nearly military. She should have known better, or maybe she should have known someone who knew that she was likely to get her cap peeled by jumping through that window. Alas, the hills are alive with the sound of morons.
Jonna Connelly
01/09/2021 @ 1:58 pm
Bitey, I wonder if you just don’t give people too much credit for having functioning brain cells or something. I responded to questions of Obama’s religion with curses about racism and stupidity – but I repeat myself. Anyway, it all just got shoved into that pigeon hole and, to whatever extent I thought about it, it was along with all the other racist, stupid bullshit.
I think we’ve developed a veneer of decency that requires racism to be coded and in that instance it was coded as Muslim or “hating America” when that got confused by the Christian pastor.
As for the (yes, she was Minnesotean, I’m ashamed to say) lady with McCain, he really wasn’t in a position to instruct her because of either time constraints or because if you want people to vote for you you can’t outright call them morons and you probably need to remember that morons’ votes count as much as anyone else’s.
It’s not so much that the response in terms of aggression and violence is different for BLM and qanon but that the very perception and preparation for them are and that’s just flat out, plain and simple racism. You can analyze it from here to on past next Monday but it’s still just down and dirty run of the mill racism. Black people violent, white people not so much. We need to protect ourselves from black people not from white people. Obvious armaments notwithstanding.
The preparation for this week was inadequate from the outset. I have heard some FBI folks talking about how they are legally prohibited from monitoring things like parler and acting on it officially. OK, fine. I remember the sixties. As it should be. But I don’t monitor anything deeper than MSNBC and WaPo and I knew this week’s demonstrations were aimed at violence. That was clear from the so-called president’s public statements alone. The only question remains is whether it was an “honest” mistake – because it was honestly racist(?) – or whether there was complicity on Capitol Hill.
koshersalaami
01/09/2021 @ 3:05 pm
The response to the coup attempt as compared to the response to BLM demonstrations is best understood as the difference between the treatment of Blacks and Whites by the police even if what Blacks are arrested for (assuming they’re not shot for, I don’t know, picking up a toy gun from a display while shopping with your kid in a store) is of way less consequence than what Whites are arrested for. So there are two simultaneous comparisons: comparisons of identity and comparisons of action, though comparisons of action are done with comparisons of identity in mind. We have known for a while that the worst acts of terrorism in America come from the American Right and not from either Blacks or radical Muslims.
As to the role of race in this, it is direct. Not theoretically direct, absolutely direct. I heard a reliable account from someone I know who was talking to someone who was there with the Capitol Police, and his reaction was conveyed to me as they didn’t think these guys were a serious threat because they were White.
But yes, the only similarity between BLM and Trump’s Traitors is the fact that both were demonstrating in Washington.
Bitey
01/09/2021 @ 3:08 pm
Jonna, my wife says the same thing to me often. She applauded when I read her your comment. To that, she added a clarification. She used an analogy to make it clearer. She said, “it is something akin to how people think of market behavior”…in that we assume a certain rationality to the broad range of decisions. We know that people often act irrationally, and the discrepancies that we find are based upon that difference. My problem is that I assume rational decisions when they are often driven by irrational urges. My failure is in allowing for irrationality. So it is not whether or not they are capable, which is where I stop. It is whether or not they do…which they clearly don’t.
So, you’re both right.
Bitey
01/09/2021 @ 3:43 pm
Also, Jonna, I’d like to add.
I’m sure many of you watched the scenes of the crowds after they broke in to the Capitol. One scene that I was stuck on early on was how the crowd streamed through the velvet ropes for an extended period of time. I kept wondering why they were staying within the ropes…while laying siege. Every once in a while someone stepped outside of the ropes, but mainly they stayed within. Eventually, someone came along and widened the lane by placing the poles farther apart, as if to say, the crowd of invaders is larger and causing a faster flow, and we need a wider lane. Over 99% of them complied with that restriction, while they defy the process of the elections and the certification. It was a whole lot of sweat applied to nonsense.
Another piece of nonsense was how so many laying siege went directly into acting like tourists by taking selfies. Maybe they should be called ‘siege-ies.’ Set aside the fact that those were evidence of crimes. It is just yet another example of how people are more caught up in the images of what they are doing than actually experiencing what they are doing. There would be thousands of videos and photos of the event. Any insurrectionist could know that. And the device used will place you at the location once law enforcement pings you. There is a digital record. The mind blowing aspect for me is that these individuals want their own record, which can only be slightly different from anyone near them, as they did this thing.
Sometimes in the Summer, raccoons and skunks, and possums come sneaking into the neighborhood to raid garbage cans. Not only do they only do this late at night, under cover of darkness, but they also avoid the street lights. They cross the street where there are dark patches to conceal their movement. When they do hear a noise that they do not expect, or see someone they perceive to be a predator, they dart back to where they came from…toward darkness. To my knowledge, there have been no arrests.
Jonna Connelly
01/09/2021 @ 5:50 pm
Possums eat ticks. They are our friends. In my neighborhood we like our possums.
jpHart
01/09/2021 @ 3:57 pm
My Don Bellisario-like reflexive verbal acuity knee-jerks moi to posit:
that the INAUGURATION be conducted prime time on an aircraft carrier.
Submarines are so late ’90’s, if I may.
Or would the international space station be more impervious to these diabolical storm troopers?Rêve impossible?
Per Happenstance
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God Help US!
Sky pilots too!
[…] Over the pole, are we?! […]
Ron Powell
01/09/2021 @ 5:22 pm
No mass arestsx, but arrests are being made…
The guy wearing animal horns and a painted face was arrested in Arizona by the FBI along with two or three others…
A number of the insurrectionists are on the FBI radar and will be apprehended over time…
My problem is the total number of arrests won’t come close to the numbers required for justice to be served and accountability to be maintained….
Bitey
01/09/2021 @ 5:49 pm
I’m sure you’re right there, RP. I think it is rather early in the round-up, but it will be difficult to get everyone who deserves a prison sentence. And, if I am not mistaken, they do not know who killed the police officer. The officer was killed with a fire extinguisher. That is a very dangerous criminal. If they don’t find him, he will be a fugitive forever.
Also, this nation will need to decide whether or not they want a former President to spend time behind bars. I think we have already lost our lofty, pretentious perch as “exceptional”, so that should not be a deterrent. Donald John Trump needs to do prison time behind bars. No suspended sentence. No special consideration.
Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela look better every day when we consider a paradigm shift in society with regard to a caste system. Truth and Reconciliation seems to have spared them the type of myth making that made this insurrection possible. It is time the United States starts following the lead of other more healthy free societies.
Bitey
01/09/2021 @ 5:52 pm
JPH, the aircraft carrier is a fantastic idea, not the least for its clever humor. Sadly, I know we will never do it because of its militaristic implication. But, it is a damned good idea that this nation deserves.
Bitey
01/09/2021 @ 5:57 pm
I’m glad you told me about the possums eating ticks. I’m glad to welcome possums. Now, if we could just do something about the Methodists.
jpHart
01/09/2021 @ 8:12 pm
SHUCKS
…SNL…’tis a rerun later on. . . post game!
Beulah had tweaked Mr. Michaels requesting
that Kate McKinnon piano virtuoso open with
Me and Bobby McGee
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avant garde with shifty demographic$]
Don’t quiz me on her conduit! Dr. B!
Of late she’s nic-nic-flamin’ me as her
‘little ambassador in rags’…could be.
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Bitey
01/09/2021 @ 8:17 pm
I was looking forward to SNL too. I wondered if they would even make an attempt given that 5 people died as a result. I guess this settles it.
Jonna Connelly
01/10/2021 @ 7:20 am
Possums also don’t carry disease. Methodists… I don’t know. Some of my best friends are Methodists.
Bitey
01/10/2021 @ 7:38 am
Jonna Connelly
01/10/2021 @ 10:43 am
8D
koshersalaami
01/10/2021 @ 10:52 am
Irrationality is a hard one, but irrationality is what gets us here, that and people who are too afraid to do anything but believe what they want to believe, which may be a bigger factor in getting us here. Not that the two are mutually exclusive.
So let’s say you’re one of these people who trusts some tiny ideologue website as a news source. Does anyone ask anything sensible like:
Where do they get their information?
Do they have bureaus? Reporters? Do they interview people whose views they don’t agree with? Do they actually investigate? Where do the data from their generalizations come from?
We’ve watched the news. The real news. We know what’s happened in vote counts. We’ve seen that no claims are substantiated. We’ve seen Republican State election officials and Republican-appointed judges say over and over and over that there are no grounds for accusations about massive fraudulent voting, we’ve even got recordings of the President asking the top Georgia elections official to find him fraudulent votes, and yet we’ve got something like 40% of the population plus well over a hundred Congressmen and women buying into this? Based on what?
It sounds like an obvious question to me. I couldn’t not ask it.
As to those in Congress, how could they look Vice President Pence in the face and do this? We have people on video on site chanting Hang Mike Pence! We had someone build a gallows on the Capitol grounds. We have video of guys looking for him in the building. And this is what over a hundred Representatives and seven Senators are OK with? Yes, there are people who would continue to support the President if he shot someone in Times Square (he wasn’t exaggerating, ever), but we have Congressmen and Senators who would continue to support him if he lynched the Vice President on the Capitol grounds?
I can’t handle the intellectual cowardice involved. I can’t handle what people are afraid to see. But they are. And as was proven in Germany, they are less afraid of becoming Nazis than they are of facing truth.
jpHart
01/13/2021 @ 10:54 am
Hope for everyone!
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Swiss chocolate and DARK then tight as an igloo close-CLOSE ENCORE Adele’s !HELLO!
*please DO NOT open submarine or bathescape hatches* this has got to B good for everybody